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How have the attitudes of the Vietnam War and the war in Iraq?
Both wars were so strongly disagree. But it seems that the support the troops more now then he did for the Vietnam War. I have heard numerous stories of Vietnam veterans had been told how to spit and about his return. Much less support for them. Now I'm not a history major, so my opinions may be biased by the stories I hear and the things I see in the media. So if anyone can enlighten me that would be most appreciated.
Good answers so far. There are several key differences - 1: Viet Nam was mainly designed directed by Robert McNamara and Secretary (of Defense JFK) during the Kennedy and Johnson - his micromanagement style pretty much doomed the conflict to a bundle of never finish. 2: The casualties in Vietnam were much higher than in Iraq (1969-1973, about 58,000 dead and 2003 - present, about 4,500 dead) and since we had military service required many more people who were really happy to be there. Professional Military Volunteer today makes a big difference. People in my unit are especially excited arriving in Iraq. 3: The culture was very different then. The hippie movement and is very strong pro-drug culture had, through conscription, the military high also infected. This re-let a lot of bitter feelings and chaos in the ranks. 4: Military culture was very, very different. Vietnam taught us many lessons and junior officers and soldiers took those lessons and rebuilt our armed forces during the Reagan years - built it into the incredible force it is today. 5: media had absolute control over all information at that time and presented the Vietnam War and the military in a rather negative light. Hippies were seen as heroes and soldiers as murderers of babies. Returning soldiers like John Kerry and movie stars such as Jane Fonda helped cement in this "reality". As a result, almost everything he had to say is (with some notable exceptions, such as My Lai and the incredible corruption of the Saigon government and the intrusion clumsy CIA) Today, bloggers and soldiers on the ground are able to get the real story to the media and discredit experts who are selling a program (check out Michael Yon reporting site for some great first hand.) 6: People learned our shameful treatment of returning soldiers was - not realizing that soldiers do not set policy. And knowing that our soldiers are doing a difficult job - and does it very well - have decided it is time to treat them with respect. (Most people - some people, like MoveOn.org, Code Pink, and the Rev. Phelps, who do not). Moreover, the "silent majority" of Americans have always supported the troops. Now they have realized how important it is to show your support. 7: The commanders were very different. General Westmoreland (Vietnam) was ... um ... inept. Schwarzkopf and Gen. Petraeus, in particular, are historical-level military geniuses. Westmoreland had no real idea of how to combat the insurgency and had a great variety of new and very confusing to deal with (eg heliborne troops). General Petraeus on the other hand, literally wrote the book in counterinsurgency. So long message summed up - were very different times, we learned a lot, our military culture is very different, and we have much more experience in dealing with insurgencies than ever before to help lead to success in the political arena. Orion EDIT: WCSteel - Yes, but there are protests in the fight against the front of the recruiting office of the Navy-usually beyond pathetic displays of Code Pink. Moreover, at funerals, the Patriot Guard Riders block the protesters. And people who spit on the soldiers get the $ # @% expelled from them in airports (I've heard of 3 different incidents where these occur) by any human being exists. Times have changed. EDIT 2: Ah, Eruidte! Our liberal troll! You keep the traffic that "nobody is spitting on 'nonsense. I am sure to find some fellow travelers who will believe you. Libs Like You Love to believe that the feel-it's okay to let you carry in your daily life. Iraq is more or less won, brother. But keep dreaming that the Democrats will find a way to lose. For Cantu (?) A project is the wrong answer. A number of our current leaders have children in the military (McCain and Palin, for example - but even some Democrats do). A project to destroy the culture that we built and drag in a lot of negativity, bitterness and style. We do not want conscripts. We like the highly motivated, driven by policemen we have now.
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